Open the LocoWheel file...
Open the Help - Help contents.. (F1)
See: "Save Toolpaths"...





This ok. Multiple tools save...

Or:
Same in tutorials: LocoWheel pdf in Vectric.com
http://www.vectric.eu/support/Cut2D/V1/LocoWheel.pdf ... page 22
Here: http://www.vectric.eu/support/Cut2D/V1/LocoWheel.pdf

I try this in my software: (same file: LocoWheel file and more postprocessor - same problem)






Error... Not work...
The software wrong or the help file?

Cut2D doesn't support automatic tool changing so it is giving you the correct error message. You will be able to save all the 6mm toolpaths to one file and the 3mm ones to another.

However the help screen is wrong. It shows 6mm and 3mm toolpaths selected which will give an immediate error in Cut2D. Plus the highlighted PP isn't a tool changing one so it wouldn't work in the current version of VCarve or Aspire either.

So the software is right and the help is wrong....in my opinion anyway.

"However the help screen is wrong"...

I bought this software... before I see the the example file... I see the help file...
The help file and example pdf. not your company making with Cut2D software???
You controll not the help file? (and sample pdf)
Which writed in example (and help file) I can't work in software...???

This function I need for WinPC-NC Economy...
I have no automatic tool changer... other the problem...
I need this for workpiece position controlling in CNC table... (with self make 0,01mm tools and zero depth)
I can this "virtual tools" out in WinPC-NC economy...( other color... not same)
I think... the Cut2D same as VCarve but no variable Z axis V-bit mode... (engraving...Vcarve)
I need this softvare only 2D parts...

You sell a software wich others function as in user manual...
Example:
I buy a car which the user manual writed inside have automatic transmission...
but after buy ... only manual transmission in the car...

Hello Varsa,

I'm sorry to hear that you are unhappy with the lack of toolchange support in Cut2D.


I apologize for these errors in the files. The Cut2D files were modified from the VCarve Pro files and we missed the screen shot you showed. In the help file it does state ...


However we didn't spot the screen shot had an example with multiple tools, though as other have pointed out, even in VCarve Pro this would have resulted in an error message as the post-processor selected does not support toolchanging. The line that refers to toolchangers should have been removed.

We are updating the help files and will change the downloads to remove these references. We have already updated the tutorial pdf and this now accurately reflects the lack of toolchanger support in Cut2D.


This is NOT the case, VCarve Pro has a large amount of functionality which is not in Cut2D and we have a page on the web-site dedicated to showing some of this ...

http://www.vectric.com/WebSite/Vectric/ ... s_c2d.html

this page is linked directly from the Cut2D overview page. In addition we offer trial versions of all our software to allow potential customers to check that the capabilities offered meet their requirements.


This was a genuine mistake in the documentation and you are the first person to point it out to us in the 12 months since Cut2D was launched. However if you are unhappy with the functionality of Cut2D we are happy to refund your money. If you contact us via support at vectric.com with details of where you purchased the software and assure us that you no longer plan to use it, we will arrange for your purchase to be cancelled.

Regards

Brian

"This was a genuine mistake in the documentation and you are the first person to point it out to us in the 12 months since Cut2D was launched."

Here also writed not the multiple tool:
http://www.vectric.com/WebSite/Vectric/ ... rision.htm

Your software very good!!! Just only a this small problem...

My idea:

You not the "wrong" help file change and delete the "wrong" example file...
(You need revision send for all customer... this file in software in the CD)

Please enable in the Cut2D software the multiple tools function! (out the rev 1.2)
This from yours company a big mistake!!!

I think... the money refund not good idea...
I think you have many Cut2D customer... this much money ... when more customer need refund...

Please send to me a revision path for Cut2D with working multiple tools function.
(software same work as in the user manual)
varsanyip@gmail.com

Thanks in advance !!!

That table doesn't state that ANY of the software support multiple toolchanger support. That list gives a general overview of all the products to help people understand what general areas each program is aimed at.

As I've pointed out above, the specific comparison page between VCarve Pro and Cut2D clearly states that toolchanging is NOT supported in Cut2D. From that page ...



We have now fixed the help file for the trial and release versions of Cut2D, so if you would like an updated help file you can download the trial version of Cut2D again and copy across the contents of the Help directory to your Cut2D directory. Alternatively if you contact support at vectric.com we can email you the 4 files that have changed.

We have never promoted toolchanging as a feature of Cut2D. As we stated previously, you are the first person in over 12 months to have spotted the small error in the help file. I have apologised for the error in the help file. We have rectified the files which were incorrect immediately it was been brought to our notice and we have update the instalation files. We have also offered to refund your money if you are not satisfied with the program as it stands.

We have no current plans to add Toolchanging to Cut2D. Cut2D lacks many features from VCarve Pro, this is why it is only 25% of the price. We offer the trial versions of the software along with the comparison data on the website so that people can decide for themselves if the functionality offered in Cut2D is sufficient for their needs. If people require more functionality than is present in Cut2D, we do offer upgrade pricing to VCarve Pro.

Brian

"We have never promoted toolchanging as a feature of Cut2D."

I have not toolchanging system in my (hardver) mashine. This for me uninteresting...
I only interesting in WinPC-NC Economy one(!) more tools setup. (for to workpiece positioning)
I no need and no interest engraving... I wold like make 2D parts with easy work!


"As we stated previously, you are the first person in over 12 months to have spotted the small error in the help file. "
When this small error... then small work to you put in the Cut2D...


"We have no current plans to add Toolchanging to Cut2D."
But this include and writed in the help and sample file, sample pdf
I think this only work with full version - Because Cut2D User Manual inside!


"Cut2D lacks many features from VCarve Pro, this is why it is only 25% of the price."
Yes... I need pay more 75% for VCarve? ... and I would like make only 2D parts?
( I no need other, more function... only which you publish in the Cut2D...)
I have no more money... I living in east Europe... In Hungary.
This 125Euro much money here... For me only hobby this!

I am happy... Yours software very good working!
I am not happy, because not same the softver as I waiting...

Maybe I ask from other Cut2D customer in other international CNC forum... (USA CncZone, Germany Cncecke, usw...)
Maybe other customer also use the WinPC-NC Economy... and have idea...
(Which I can exactly positioning the workpiece... without "virtual" cnc tools" now the zero point in the first cutting)

Peter

So why if you have no auto toolchanger do you want a file that will auto tool change ?

If you have to stop the machine to change tools then run a second file, failing that buy a new machine that will auto toolchange and upgrade to V Carve.

In your comparison of features on cars don't expect a Rolls Royce for Mini prices.

John S.

Varsa...
I may have misunderstood, but after reading this post, I get the impression that that you believe the software will not save your files to cut the way it is supposed to.

What you have done (I believe) is attempt to save several different tools under one file. Ths is impossible without a tool changer (which you said you do not have. What we do in this case, is just save each individual bits under its own file. This way, the machine will cut that file and go back to the home position and wait for you to change bits... then you load the next file and cut that file... just repeat this for all your different bits.

This way, the machine won't just go to where the toolchanger is supposed to be, load another tool, and continue...

or... as I stated previously, I may have entirely misunderstood what you were stating

You tryed the WinPC-NC Economy with Cut2D? (or VCarve?)
http://www.lewetz.de/30000_content.htm

The WinPC-NC Ecomy trial version: (work many languages... also English)
http://www.lewetz.de/download/dmwin2ecoe.exe

The WinPC-NC Economy User Manual: (English pdf)
http://www.lewetz.de/download/hbwin2ecoe.pdf

Please try and you can see the workpiece position problem. ( without virtual CNC tool )

I have a other problem also ...
This WinPC-NC postprocessor not perfect working:
download/file.php?id=8461
in slow speed, up to 30/mms maybe ok. with stepper motor system, but not with with servo system. (with Gecko Driver)
I now - today - try other postprocessors for WinPC-NC Economy...
(maybe work better with Mach PP but this also perfect not ...)

Yours software very-very good !!!
Maybe all problem with this WinPC-NC postprocessor???
You make not "official" Vectric postprocessor for this software? (no WinPC-NC PP version in the original software)
I like the WinC-NC Economy... (and many customer... example in Germany...)
Maybe I write for to Mr. Lewetz. (http://www.lewetz.de)



I am not happy... Not easy (my) life...

Peter

Peter,

We have other customers successfully running their machines with Vectric software and WinPC-NC Economy,
so I'm not sure why you are having such a problem.

You mention 'I only interesting in WinPC-NC Economy one(!) more tools setup. (for to workpiece positioning)'
So I'm wondering if you have WinPC-NC setup correctly,

In WinPC-NC, the coordinate option needs to be set:

Parameters > Misc.Parameters > Zero point in file - must be set to: origin of co-ordinates

in German:

Parameter > Sonstige > Nullpunkt in Datei - umschalten auf: Koordinatenursprung

I hope this might help.

Tony

Hi Tony

Thanks the help!!!

Today I make other "zero point" idea...
In Cut2D a drawing a virtual zero pont with a 0.01x0.01mm rectangle size ...( a mini Austin system:)
(I need work today for 4mm endmill cutter and drilling a workpiece)
The rectangle toolpath with in Cut2D used endmill (in on) and same rectangle the used drill toollpast.
This the virtual zero pont... working... (but I need more work...)
But you as you writed I try not today work...
I tryed this just in screen - when I good see - this idea good and working!!!

But ... When I bought Cut2D software... (ver 1.1 "old" with multiple tool help...)
Trusted from help file and example pdf... I can work more toolpath in one file...
I working only 2D workpiece ... This Cut2D hve in a good price ... but the Vcarve version very expensive for me ...
Maybe I see not from multiple toolpath function idea in help file ... I am very happy now ...
I like your software ... I try and learning in few days ... I would like not loss my work...

The new PP file for WinPC-NC much more better working... This useable... (Thanks!)
Have a few small problem... but think I need inside the Economy fine setup...
In the Parameters - Machine - Maximum start/stop speed...
I don't fully understand this... (for servo system)
When minimal example. 20mm/s setup... In the normal cutting way changed the speed...(example in 100mm cutting work)
When setup 50mm/s (= no ramps up to 50mm/s...)
The Gecko drives = with fault out ... small memory inside, no fault in workpiece (128bit) ... (for without ramp work.)
The Mach PP also good work... but not drive the cooling system in WinPC-NC. (the spindle drive ok.)

I think... same inside system work the CncGraf also... (all Germany CNC hobby drive software?)

I am moderator in Hungarian biggest (and best) hobby cnc forum...
http://sgforum.hu/forum.php3?azonosito=hobbycnc (http://www.hobbycnc.hu)

I would like open a Vectric CAD/CAM topic...
Maybe than much more hungarian people interesting yours software...
(many people using the Mach3 CNC step/dir driver software...)

... and sorry for my bad english...

Peter

My (first making) mashine: (I this testing and work Cut2D)



More: http://ftp.cnchungary.com/Varsanyi_Peter/VP_CNC_V1

Much better when I see full drawing (all two path) in WinPC-NC screen...
Example the cutter toolpath draw and driling points.
When not same screen the two tools... (other file two tool path) easy wrong positions the drilling point.
(The drill tool the second tool)

Maybe the two toolpath Gcode file in a text editor all to one file? (before open in WinPC-NC)

hi...

i'm not sure... but looks it's only translation error.... in engish the multiple really does mean of same kind several... probably peter was meaning different kind... in same category...
i'm also hungarian... and i have plenty of experience...
still i get sometime people just don't want to understand i'm sayin'.... but today i have ready answer for 'em... "do you have any other spoken langu"...
so from that point they immediately understand everything...