Tiny text relief carving, any advice
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Tiny text relief carving, any advice
Hi all.
We are making a replica of the journalist creed plaque. It's a ton of tiny lettering. It looks like I will have to get a 1/16" end mill bit.
Any advice on a project like like this?
The cut files look huge (time consuming even with sign foam) as I really don't trust my machine to go over 2.5 ips on this
Thanks for any help!
We are making a replica of the journalist creed plaque. It's a ton of tiny lettering. It looks like I will have to get a 1/16" end mill bit.
Any advice on a project like like this?
The cut files look huge (time consuming even with sign foam) as I really don't trust my machine to go over 2.5 ips on this
Thanks for any help!
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Re: Tiny text relief carving, any advice
Hello,
What material will you use for this replica and how will you cut the text? Is the text going to be carved into the plaque or will it be raised above like in the picture? Either way the text is probably going to be very small and require a tiny bit. You probably should try and get the font drawn to the actual scale to be used and then you can measure the smallest/closest vectors of the text to see what size bit will be needed in those areas.
When you do the toolpaths for the text there is an option to 'break text into lines' and this may help you toolpath the text in sections to help work around the length of time involved with the cutting of the text etc. I hope something here helps you, and we will be looking for updates on your progress and finished pictures.
What material will you use for this replica and how will you cut the text? Is the text going to be carved into the plaque or will it be raised above like in the picture? Either way the text is probably going to be very small and require a tiny bit. You probably should try and get the font drawn to the actual scale to be used and then you can measure the smallest/closest vectors of the text to see what size bit will be needed in those areas.
When you do the toolpaths for the text there is an option to 'break text into lines' and this may help you toolpath the text in sections to help work around the length of time involved with the cutting of the text etc. I hope something here helps you, and we will be looking for updates on your progress and finished pictures.
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Re: Tiny text relief carving, any advice
An alternate approach is to V-carve it with a bit with a small angle -- 30 or 45, perhaps as large as 60 degrees. Set a shallow flat depth such as 0.1 or 0.05. The V-carve strategy will do a nice job on the raised letters.
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Re: Tiny text relief carving, any advice
hello
i made some plates with lettering... the flatendmill not a good choice due to letters are more fragile... i used 50 full deg halfround bits... still i have one picture...
you can see in the cut2d > General forum... misery the post name...
i used depth around what randall already suggested... 2.5-3mm ..... pending on the letter size..
the 3d method won't work on small letter like 3/8 and under....
also a suggestion break down 3-4 or more part large quantity of text...
what you posted picture that might need four...
when you convert text to curves, just thinking on one letter already a complex shape...
thanks
viktor
just one more suggestion, before you start t cut this plate sure just try on boards... like 3/4 thick cutoffs... also the holddown is a real issue... it need to be really paralell with the tool movement... otherwise a little different gives "sharpened" or "flattened" letters...
the sample i posted in cut2d section, i milled off the top before i started...
i made some plates with lettering... the flatendmill not a good choice due to letters are more fragile... i used 50 full deg halfround bits... still i have one picture...
you can see in the cut2d > General forum... misery the post name...
i used depth around what randall already suggested... 2.5-3mm ..... pending on the letter size..
the 3d method won't work on small letter like 3/8 and under....
also a suggestion break down 3-4 or more part large quantity of text...
what you posted picture that might need four...
when you convert text to curves, just thinking on one letter already a complex shape...
thanks
viktor
just one more suggestion, before you start t cut this plate sure just try on boards... like 3/4 thick cutoffs... also the holddown is a real issue... it need to be really paralell with the tool movement... otherwise a little different gives "sharpened" or "flattened" letters...
the sample i posted in cut2d section, i milled off the top before i started...
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Re: Tiny text relief carving, any advice
Thanks for all of that advice, it's very very helpful. I had thought of breaking up the cut files, I will now do that for sure. Now to find a 1/16" bit today! (Live in the boondocks)
Randall- I would love to v-carve it, but this has to be a duplicate of the original, or as close as we can get anyway.
I have attached a screenshot of another problem. It doesn't appear to be completely clearing out between the letters. I understand why it's not clearing out the "A" holes and stuff...but what's with all the long lines between the letters?
Randall- I would love to v-carve it, but this has to be a duplicate of the original, or as close as we can get anyway.
I have attached a screenshot of another problem. It doesn't appear to be completely clearing out between the letters. I understand why it's not clearing out the "A" holes and stuff...but what's with all the long lines between the letters?
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Re: Tiny text relief carving, any advice
Do you know how thick the right sides of some of those letters are going to be?
The reason I ask, is I ran a sign the other day using a font that bolded one side of the letters and thinned out the other side (a shadow type font) and I ended up blowing out the thin walls of some of the letters.
Hmm, sorry can't seem to find a picture of what I'm talking about, I hope you understand.
The reason I ask, is I ran a sign the other day using a font that bolded one side of the letters and thinned out the other side (a shadow type font) and I ended up blowing out the thin walls of some of the letters.
Hmm, sorry can't seem to find a picture of what I'm talking about, I hope you understand.
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Re: Tiny text relief carving, any advice
It could be a couple of things. Either your bit is too large to fit in these areas or you're not set up correctly to completely clear the area around the letters. Any chance of posting your .crv3D file.
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Re: Tiny text relief carving, any advice
Try previewing it with a 45 degree bit with raised letters and I believe you will be surprised how closely it matched the original.Randall- I would love to v-carve it, but this has to be a duplicate of the original, or as close as we can get anyway.
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Re: Tiny text relief carving, any advice
hello
your preview shows your bit too large for these letters,,,
thanks
viktor
for bit, i could suggest you bitsbits.net... they manufacturer of engraving bits... and their price is really affordable...
also a suggestion, if it is a casted plate the letter's side is beveled... casting can not be with "vertical" sides...
your preview shows your bit too large for these letters,,,
thanks
viktor
for bit, i could suggest you bitsbits.net... they manufacturer of engraving bits... and their price is really affordable...
also a suggestion, if it is a casted plate the letter's side is beveled... casting can not be with "vertical" sides...
Re: Tiny text relief carving, any advice
Mjind,
I have a hard time imagining pulling this off with Signfoam 18# or otherwise.
Your letters could easily be 1/2" tall. I think I would do this as a sandblast
project using a thinner mask and prepainting. My guess is you would get to
something like the dot on an 'i' and the dot would go flying. Start over.
Anchor Continental style 128 an 18 mil. mask could do the trick.
Mark
I have a hard time imagining pulling this off with Signfoam 18# or otherwise.
Your letters could easily be 1/2" tall. I think I would do this as a sandblast
project using a thinner mask and prepainting. My guess is you would get to
something like the dot on an 'i' and the dot would go flying. Start over.
Anchor Continental style 128 an 18 mil. mask could do the trick.
Mark
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Re: Tiny text relief carving, any advice
Thanks for all of the help fellas. Would have given up by now, or had a disaster down the road if not for you.
So far I like Randall's idea of 45 degree vbit. Though I don't own 45 I do own a 60 and it appears to be great in the preview!
Now I'm trying to figure out that texture of the area that will be cleared. The original looks to have a rough leather look to it...actually it looks like rows and rows of small round bumps.
So far I like Randall's idea of 45 degree vbit. Though I don't own 45 I do own a 60 and it appears to be great in the preview!
Now I'm trying to figure out that texture of the area that will be cleared. The original looks to have a rough leather look to it...actually it looks like rows and rows of small round bumps.
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Re: Tiny text relief carving, any advice
Can you use the texture feature of Aspire to do that with a 3D toolpath?
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Re: Tiny text relief carving, any advice
Thanks T. It seems kinda difficult around all that lettering though. We're thinking of trying some of that textured paint for the background, wipe off the tops of the letters right away, let that dry and then roll on some paint to the letters with a foam roller.tmerrill wrote:Can you use the texture feature of Aspire to do that with a 3D toolpath?
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Re: Tiny text relief carving, any advice
That sounds like it will work.
Keep us posted.
Tim
Keep us posted.
Tim
Re: Tiny text relief carving, any advice
hello
monday i have to take this plate to a local company... i made before several...
i suggest you really, before you say price on or make contract sure you cut at least 50 letter...as a test to see how it is going...
i made this with 30 full degree and 0.25 mm tip, the cleaner bit was 1/8 endmill...
what you posted that might keep a day long... i'm not sure you can run up yourrouter 100-300 ipm...
thanks
viktor
the oval logo size 5x2.25 inch
monday i have to take this plate to a local company... i made before several...
i suggest you really, before you say price on or make contract sure you cut at least 50 letter...as a test to see how it is going...
i made this with 30 full degree and 0.25 mm tip, the cleaner bit was 1/8 endmill...
what you posted that might keep a day long... i'm not sure you can run up yourrouter 100-300 ipm...
thanks
viktor
the oval logo size 5x2.25 inch